430 Super Marauder

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Re: 430 Super Marauder

Post by 58-Pagoda » Tue 29. Oct 2013, 01:46

Intake manifold.
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I believe the PB8M 9424-A part number crosses to the EDG 9424-A which has a list price of $50.85.
The more common 4V intakes are cast as EDG-9425-A.
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*My research leads me to believe that there was only one version of the 6V intake cast for both Mercury and Lincoln applications.
*The intake was delivered painted black. It is hard to say the exact gloss of black, but it appears to have been somewhere between semi-gloss and gloss black. People have claimed the intakes were unpainted but the period articles below clearly show them painted. I have also seen three original intakes (before bead blasting) and they were black as well, although the black paint seemed to have faded to a flatter black over the years.
*A Lincoln engine would have very likely had a black tripower intake installed on an otherwise emerald green metallic engine, unless the owner or dealer took the time to paint the intake to match the engine.
*There is no official part number on the intake as has been widely reported.

From the Motor Life June 1958 Article introducing the Super Marauder option. Paint appears to be somewhat glossy.
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From the Don Francisco article where he had a dealer install the Super Marauder set-up in 1958 for a test car. Paint appear semi-gloss or satin black.
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From the 1958 Service Bulletin #29. The pink arrow suggests a satin black finish to the intake.
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What an original intake looks like today when it comes available for sale. This one sold for $800 on Ebay. They range from $300 to a high of $1,400, although recent sales appear to be closer to the high end.
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I do have in my possession one oddball intake that is stamped with some special characters near the #8 port. Perhaps it was experimental or perhaps it was raced at one time and stamped for some reason. What I always found interesting about it is that it has what appears to be a MoonEyes logo stamping on it as well. I did ask the President/CEO, Chico, at MoonEyes about the stamping but he did not know what it represented. He did acknowledge it was an interesting stamping that looks like the MoonEyes logo but he also told me that MoonEyes was not officially up and running until around 1961. He did confirm that Dean Moon cast the Super Marauder parts for Stroppe/Ford. As I indicated earlier and as confirmed by the LA Times newspaper padding found with an NOS air breather, these parts were likely cast in mid-to-late 1957.
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Re: 430 Super Marauder

Post by 58-Pagoda » Tue 29. Oct 2013, 02:32

Carburetors- here are the Holley 2300-C carburetors according to the books. Click to enlarge.
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Primary: PB8M-9510-C
Secondaries: PB8M-9510-B

It's not clear to me if the original carburetor numbers in mid-1958 were B8A-9510-B/C or EDG-9510-B/C. They were each around $66 or $68 in 1958. Note: there was no dealer wholesale incentive for EDG-9510-B which leads me to believe that may be the listing for the Secondary carburetor for the Super Marauder. Most of the other carbs, including EDJ-9510-A which is the 430-4V carburetor, had dealer wholesale incentives to move them.
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An original NOS secondary carb came up on Ebay in 2012. It sold for $675-$700. You can see the original gold iridite finish and number stampings.
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Holley 2300 Identification
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Re: 430 Super Marauder

Post by 430 6V » Fri 17. Oct 2014, 22:05

It's good too see interest in the Super Marauder. When I did my green '58 you show with "Scottie TV" there was virtually no information on line so I had to do my own research as you have with original documents.
Most folks said they didn't exist. :roll:
You are correct the intakes were black, I left mine natural on purpose to show it was aluminum in an era when all others were iron.
That was just to add to the head scratching.

After winning 1st place '58 to '65 restored at Detroit Autorama I took it to the Pure Stock drags, here it is in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJtxpvSR1iw

In this American Muscle Car clip you can see the engine and car under construction. The '64 Merc is my other car.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/150581#i1,p6,d1

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Re: 430 Super Marauder

Post by 58-Pagoda » Tue 28. Oct 2014, 09:12

Thanks for your additions. I think it's fair to say that you and your '58 Merc have been instrumental in reviving interest in the Super Marauder. It seems that most of the setups wound up in racing hands and/or ended up being modified or crashed and forgotten about. They are still out there and can be found if one is determined enough, but it's important to do the research before exchanging $$$. For example, this is one I came across....

What could be under all this junk?
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... more to come as I get time

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Re: 430 Super Marauder

Post by 430 6V » Wed 29. Oct 2014, 20:43

Thanks for the feedback.

You are right about finding them out there. I ended up with two systems, one pieced together at great cost. Then I was lucky enough to buy the second nearly complete with the pump found later. The second complete system cost as much as just my first fuel pump asm!

Wow , that Thunderbird looks very cool! From the radiused wheel wells to the crazy engine setback! It's a shame, yet at the same time super neat the air breather was cut. Either way It's cool vintage.

What's it's history?

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Re: 430 Super Marauder

Post by 430 6V » Wed 19. Nov 2014, 20:21

A picture of the Holley drawing of the end carburetor. I made the copy from the original drawing.
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Re: 430 Super Marauder

Post by 430 6V » Wed 19. Nov 2014, 20:26

The R-1674A Carburetor Outline drawing was originally done on 8/9/57. Rev A on 1/2/58 and a Rev B on 4/29/59.

It's been my experience, as well as the Holley employee who had the original drawings, hardware would soon follow. In short order if a majority of the components already existed as these did.

Fun fact, the 430 secondary vacuum pot mounts were used for the first 427 tri-power Vette prototypes, until a larger vacuum pot was specified.
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Re: 430 Super Marauder

Post by 430 6V » Wed 19. Nov 2014, 21:00

A pic of a poor copy of a poor print.

The center carb "Throttle Lever Quadrant". Or plainly the slotted bracket fixed to the center carb lever, where the end carb linkage meets.

It was drawn on 6/3/57 with a Rev A on 1/2/58. Interestingly, the ECN (engineering control number) of 19038 and Rev A date of 1/2/58 are the same as the end carb outline drawing. Making a strong argument that the carbs were commercially available in '57 or at least by the end of Jan. '58.

The drawing was printed on 1/7/58
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Re: 430 Super Marauder

Post by 430 6V » Thu 20. Nov 2014, 18:16

More interesting stuff.

As we know service bulletins typically come out after a problem has been identified or has not been covered in the service manual. I thought it would be neat to show a couple of bulletins that mention the Super Marauder, but pre date the complete Super Marauder bulletin of 5/9/58.

Bulletin #9 from 12/27/57, reminds that auto trans ID is very important on two forms for warranty.
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Re: 430 Super Marauder

Post by 430 6V » Thu 20. Nov 2014, 18:21

Another bulletin from 3/28/58 describing Carb lever changes.....Except Super Marauder. It was probably covered on 1/2/58 with the Rev A :mrgreen:
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