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Two different styles of 430 Vacuum lines?

September 29 2006 at 2:05 PM
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  (Login J-Bird430)
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Unbelievable!

What are we looking at?

Two styles of 430 Lincoln check valve tubes used to run vacuum from the internal vacuum pump which piggyback’s on the internal oil pump and supplements the wiper motor with vacuum.

The Check valves are both the same. One is a brass 90 and corroded check valve and a broken tube that rusted into two pieces. The second tube that resembles it is a tube I made to copy it. See the photo of an actual line in place on a 430 photo below mounted on a 430.





TOP and MIDDLE lines in the photo of all 3 lines I will call TYPE 1



I just bought a tube and working check valve in Canada and was shocked to see it is completely different from two other tubes I have seen.



The second tube in not only smaller in diameter, it is longer. The tube connects to the same bolt on the bell housing however it is NOT INTENDED TO BE USED WITH THE BRASS 90 DEGREE FITTING. Note the check valves are mounted 90 degrees differently. The only documentation I have found for this check valve in my 1959 THUNDERBIRD SERVICE MANUAL is located on page 1-52 Figure 8 which shows what appears to be the check valve screwed directly into the engine block and call this one TYPE 2. (see photo below, BOTTOM line)

It appears the valve was mounted in two different ways and according to the limited information I have, the correct way for a 430 Squarebird is the valve directly into the block. (see photo from FoMoCo Service manual below)



CHECK VALVE PART NUMBERS on the valve are:

10
P-85597-1



 
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(Login hawkrod)
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Dang it, I hate working this hard! There appear to be a couple of different tubes

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October 2 2006, 7:49 PM 

There are various flavors! It appears that 58-60 Lincoln and Merc used one style, 59/60 Tbird and some 58 Mercs used another. The part numbers seem to be:

B7A-9328-A Valve (vacuum pump check) 1958 Lincoln Mercury
B9S-9328-A Valve (vacuum pump check) 1959/1960 Lincoln Mercury Thunderbird
EDG-17536-C Tube Windshield Wiper Tube (on motor) 58 Mercury 383 w/std trans 59/60 Thunderbird
EDG-16978-A Tube Windshield Wiper Hose tube and clip assy 24" long 58/59 Mercury auto trans exc 2 door and 4 door sedan 58/59/60 Lincoln
372268-S elbow 58/59 Mercury exc 2 door and 4 door sedan 58/59/60 Lincoln.

What this all means is 58 Merc with a stick shift and 58/9 Tbirds did not use an elbow and used a different tube. 58-60 Lincoln and Mercury's exc merc stick shift and sedans (because sedans had a 312 instead of an MEL) used an elbow with the associated tube. I will tell you this was not fun to research as the tubes were obsolete quickly and service was to make something! Note I have re-edited this for clarity. Hawkrod

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Where does the air discharge line from the oil pump come out at?

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October 3 2006, 7:51 PM 

The Edsel block I'm currently working on had this on it but it's been removed prior to me getting it. Just curious as I don't have any plans on reinstalling any of the crankcase vacuum pump stuff.

Ted.

 
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October 4 2006, 6:44 AM 

And all referring URL's and it should answer all your questions.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/257364/thread/1156773923/MEL+Oil+Pump+Vacuum+Fitting

 
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