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FORD attempted a change in their PN system about 1958. It was a seven character numerical system which didn't seem to catch on. HAWKROD brought this to everyone's attention on the LCOC Forum a while back. Anyways, I was trying to ID an early CARTER AFB carb for a member here a while back and just come to realize why there was no listing. Please Copy and Paste the below URL into your browser for further information;
This all started I think with JBIRD wanting to know if a 383 MERC AFB was origional to a 59 BIRD. I had read somewheres where FORD put a HOLLEY on the LINC engines that went into the 59/60 BIRD but it turns out they were AFB's. Just trying to derive origionation of this particular carb and HAWKROD clued me in (through LCOC Forum) on the unique PN system used in 1958.
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I had not seen a carter for a 352 but the 5751294 carb is a fullsize Ford Carter 4 barrel for a 58 352 The part number for it is a B8A 9510-Q. It turns out that there was one other Carter for a 352 that year, a 5750068 or EDT 9510-D (same carb used both numbers so it is a when it was made determines which number it carries!) which is a part number B8A 9510-F. Unfortunately my book does not make any other notes like police, stick or auto (which is odd) for either of these carbs. I have never been much of a 58 Ford fanatic so I never knew they used Carter! Neat to learn something else! LOL Hawkrod
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Interesting to know. I am certain (of all the 57's I had) that at least one was AFB. I had HOLLEY, AUTOLITE (but it won't) and fairly certain was one CARTER. Who knows?
I wonder if somehow, this CARTER was used on the 58 EDSEL 361 mainly and just happened to come to the FORD camp?
How does the late fifties catalogs run? Are LINC and MERC separate or are they combined?
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The carb was Ford only. There are others for Edsel and Lincoln and Mercury and the only time they cross is when the exact same engine trans combo was used like say 55 Merc and Ford 292 police package. A good example of each line having its own number is the list 1272 and 1273 312 carb as used on most 1957 312 4V's, they were the same list number but each application had a different Ford number! There are ECZ 9510-AD and ECZ 9510-V and they are both list 1273, as well as ECZ 9510-AC and ECZ 9510-Y which are both list 1272! The parts books are by line on a year to year basis until 60 then Lincoln and Mercury are combined. Prior to 60 each company was run seperately so they had there own catalogs. Hawkrod
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I will have to get my book out and see but my copy is a late 58 and has the odd numbers so
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July 9 2006, 2:34 PM
I will have to pull the book out and see if it has the old numbers crossed in it as the copy I have is the 575 numbers. I will try and check tomorrow. Hawkrod
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It actually had more to do with the hiring of a GM exec
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July 9 2006, 7:27 PM
Ford hired several ex GM employees and one of them ran the parts division. Updating the broken numbering system was actually an issue that was being worked on. He came in and reorganized using what he knew but it was in direct conflict with what Ford had been doing for decades so it failed. It was quickly discovered that the new system did not work so a new system much more similar to the old system was developed and put in place. Hawkrod
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